Comments on: Whole Foods vs. Processed Foods – Nutrition by Natalie

By: dominicanville

dominicanville — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:15:59 +0000

lol, that’s funny. …
lol, that’s funny. I’ll remember that survival tactic if I’m ever lost anywhere without my B12 supplement.

You knocked that question out of the waster. I’m vegan too, so I’m concerned as well about getting enough B12. I’m taking Spirulina now, but I’ll take your word for it and get off. That’s stuff is gross anyway. I’ll look up your supplement…thanks…

By: ega1mann

ega1mann — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:50:59 +0000

The funny (well. no …
The funny (well. no) thing is, that microorganisms in our intestines actually produce a considerable amount of B12 – but too low down in the intestine canal where it can’t be absorbed anymore. Which can be circumvented by sending the literal crap through once again. This has been proven to work, where B12 deficient (with symptoms) consenting patiens where given a liqzuid extract of their feces, and after weeks, deficiency symptoms vanished ^^
If there’s a god, he has a strange sense of humor.

By: ega1mann

ega1mann — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:49:59 +0000

(that’s why some …
(that’s why some people have claimed “I need no external B12, say my blood tests!”, well, they didn’t wait long enough… there is an abundance of evidence this isn’t true for the vast majority of humans.)

lol, as a side note, if you’re shipwrecked on an island, you could still eat your feces to have B12, isn’t that yummie?

By: ega1mann

ega1mann — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:38:59 +0000

I’m vegan since jan …
I’m vegan since jan 2003, no problems so far. Doc even says I have the best blood she’s seen in a while… but bear in mind that for some people B12 liver depots can last over 10 years (for most at least 2..5 years) before it’s all out. Some people need higher doses than others, or have habits that decrease absorption.

By: ega1mann

ega1mann — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:36:59 +0000

When going totally …
When going totally animal product free, I recommend to have blood tests made maybe every 1..2 years or so, if your chosen products works for you (some B12 tests are useless, be sure that the homocysteine level gets checked for not being to high, which is an indicator of B12 deficiency and can occur even if B12 serum level has OK results…)

By: ega1mann

ega1mann — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:35:59 +0000

I can’t say it’s …
I can’t say it’s the best (I don’t know), for it’s the only “close to clean” product that’s available to me ATM, but I use one o fthe B12 pills of “nowfoods”. There are some stabilizing (ie holding together) agents in it (which are explicitly said to be of plant sources), but as far as I can tell nothing too bad. I once had a product of a company named “greenvitamins” from netherlands, which alas went bankcrupt. Their capsules had only 3 or so ingredients ^^

By: ega1mann

ega1mann — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:06:59 +0000

… not to let it …
… not to let it sound like it’s just a guess that we need external B12 sources, doubters might look at veganhealth#org/b12/b12

By: ega1mann

ega1mann — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:56:59 +0000

I don’t buy into …
I don’t buy into the oldschool “natural hygiene” teachings that there’s nothing in animal products we can’t get EASILY without them. All apes eat at least some insects, even if by accident, and there are studies proving that many insects contain B12, and I see no reason why even the first humans who had not developed hunting techniques & tools should not have eaten insects and worms etc, which are pretty easy to grab in small quantities.

By: ega1mann

ega1mann — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:54:59 +0000

Btw, there are …
Btw, there are capsules made from cellulose (a type of plant fiber) instead of gelatine

especially in the US there are quite some B12 pills without any animal products or preservatives, artificial flavor etc.

I’m an advocate of raw foods, but still recommend B12 pills if you like to avoid animal products. (which, even if it might not classify as “natural”, has proven benefits, at least for the type/forms of preparation of animal products that are usually consumed in civilized world)

By: dominicanville

dominicanville — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:43:59 +0000

Cool, good …
Cool, good information. So if you were to be taking a B12 supplement, which one would you choose?